11 Dreaming and the OBE

Travel Far

A Beginner’s Guide to the Out-of-Body Experience, Including First-Hand Accounts and Comprehensive Theory and Methods

by Darryl E Berry Jr

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The entire world, the entire universe, is a dream. Within it are various forms of dreams which we demarcate into “real” and “unreal,” “reality” and “dream,” according to our experiences and perceptions. It would be more accurate to call our waking physical life diurnal dreams and the worlds we experience while our physical body is sleeping nocturnal dreams – in truth physical life is just a state of mind or consciousness, just like the out-of-body state.


From our usual perspective in Earth third density societies we designate the physical world as real, and the worlds we perceive while our physical body is sleeping as unreal. But even reverie that we seemingly experience only in our personal mind is made of nonphysical matter or thought, and if held and reinforced by repeated visualization influences nonphysical matter in the larger nonphysical world, which can be perceived by others. These become stable constructs and can be journeyed to through an OBE. What we normally call “dreams” can be defined as temporary and localized nonphysical constructs made subconsciously or unconsciously while the physical body is sleeping. These are our personal nocturnal dreams. These are our individual reveries in our minds as we sleep. Through these reverie experiences we act out traumas, desires, fears, and etcetera. That we usually unconsciously or subconsciously make nocturnal dreams lends them to psychoanalysis and self-introspection. We can know what is in our minds by what we are projecting.

Nocturnal dreams also serve to keep us asleep, as we get caught up in the occurrences of the nocturnal dream and thus embed ourselves in sleep to continue the dream. I’m sure we have all had the experience of waking up later than desired due to infatuation with the happenings of a dream. Another occurrence is taking the sound of an alarm in the physical world, making a dream representation of the sound – for instance a tornado siren, and then continuing with the dream. What we normally call nocturnal dreams are imaginings in the same way that our daydreams are when we have lapses of attention in the physical world. But since the physical body is asleep, we’re free to fully engage ourselves in these self-created worlds. When we enter the deep theta or delta ranges of brain wave activity our reveries are experienced as virtual reality worlds. When we become conscious in these reverie worlds, we call it lucid dreaming. In these instances, the brain is in the delta state and the nonphysical body proper is usually disengaged or undocked from but hovering near the physical body.

Nocturnal dream imagery can correlate with the OBE state, for instance you may dream of going up on an airplane, and this coincides with nonphysically floating up to the ceiling as you hit deep delta during sleep. And you may then dream of going down in an elevator and feel the descent – the actual descent being your nonphysical descent back into the physical body from the ceiling. Often vertical movement in a nocturnal dream, especially when there is a sensation of motion, coincides with movement in the out-of-body state. So then often the nocturnal dreams we have, we dream up while unconsciously out-of-body. When through your altered state practices you start to become more conscious during sleep, and you sense movement and open your awareness, you may notice that you’re floating around the room nonphysically as you were dreaming of flying in an airplane for instance.


Another aspect of “dreams” is that we can be in the out-of-body state proper but mistake the OBE to be a nocturnal dream. An OBE experienced through cloudy awareness can be unclear and seem less “real,” and be easily mistaken for a conventional nocturnal reverie-type dream. Recall my experience meeting Louis through OBE. Due to accumulated experience I knew it was an OBE. If not for my experience I could have mistaken it for a dream. And of course, there was the unprompted verification from Louis’ side of the experience as further confirmation. I am sure that many so-called “dreams” are half remembered, or cloudily perceived, OBEs. And as you travel, you’ll no doubt see friends and relatives having out-of-body experiences but when you tell them about it the next day, they’ll often have no memory of it, but will sometimes remember “dreaming” about you.


To complicate the matter, sometimes dream and non-dream elements can be interwoven. I read in Preparing for Contact of a lady who dreamt of receiving contact from ETs through her dream computer. Messages would come through on the screen that she could read. The messages turned out to be real telepathic messages from an actual physical world ET communicating telepathically with her while she slept. She received the physical world telepathic messages and incorporated them into her dream. This is like how a physical clock alarm becomes a siren within the dream. Perhaps if she had skill in state acquisition and had made progress in pushing her awareness threshold back, this telepathic contact would have been conscious and deliberate, in full awareness of what was going on. One example is my Beings of Light experiences. Perhaps sometimes when people wake up with brilliant ideas, they received communication during sleep but don’t remember it. Recall that both David Adair and Stephen Hawking received information and formulas through dreams.


Kurt Leland shares in his book Otherwhere a gradation metric for levels of wakefulness during nocturnal dreams. Ironically such a gradation can be made for the overall universal dream, with minds absolutely immersed in their physical identity with no awareness of anything beyond at Level Zero, and minds so fully conscious and aware that they are actually beyond the dream at Level Ten, for instance the level of enlightened masters such as Y’shua, The Great Sun, or Byron Katie. Here is the nocturnal dream gradation as shared in Otherwhere, augmented with a few findings of my own:

• Level Zero – no recall of dreams or even that you had dreams

• Level One – recall that one has dreamt without remembering any details of what was dreamt

• Level Two – recall of disjointed fragments of dreams, or isolated images and feelings from the dream

• Level Three – the experience of watching oneself in the dream rather than participating in it

• Level Four – full participation in the action of the dream

• Level Five – long and involved dream plots; dream continuity from previous dreams

• Level Six – very vivid colors and sounds, detail begins emerging in dream recall

• Level Seven – the presence of textures, smells, and tastes in the dream

• Level Eight – the ability to think rationally, and actively use mental processes

• Level Nine – active dreaming – at-will rational application of supernormal powers in the dream, such as flying or environment alteration

• Level Ten – lucid dreaming – one is fully conscious in the dream state and fully aware that one is dreaming


Simply practicing state acquisition regularly and journaling consistently develops the ability to remember dreams. Yet there are things that can accelerate this process. A dream journal can help dream recall and heighten dream lucidity by heightening awareness during the dream in preparation to journal; the greater the detail of your dream journals the greater the reciprocal effect of heightened awareness during dreams. Making note of the level of dream experienced per the gradation metric can add another facet to a dream journal. The heightened awareness and recall developed from dream journaling helps OBE techniques and OBE practices by helping to increase general lucidity. A handwritten, typed, or voice recorded dream journal will do; whatever recording method or media. If for whatever reason you don’t journal your dreams a detailed mental review of what you dreamt may suffice.

If you have difficulty remembering your dreams, try following any thought snippets of the dream you can remember. If you remember driving down a street in a dream, focus on that. Consider it. Picture it. Driving where? Driving… driving… driving how? Driving… driving… was I with someone? Driving… driving… Close your eyes and try to reimagine the scene and see if you can fill out the scene as you make a trail of thought that ignites your memory. This process helps with remembering anything, such as lyrics to a song you are trying to remember, or names of people. The more you practice remembering and journaling your dreams, and the more diligently and detailed you do so, the better and better will your dream recall and consequently your general lucidity become. You’ll soon find that you have an entire sleep life going on that you’ve scarcely been aware of!


Lucid dreaming is the experience of becoming fully aware during regular nocturnal dream reverie. The benefit of developing this skill in relation to OBE is that lucid dreams can be used as launch pads for OBEs. Becoming lucid in a dream is almost the equivalent of going consciously into delta through state acquisition. I say almost because with lucid dreams there will by nature be a clouded perception, subconscious projection, etc. But all the same you can practice either state acquisition or lucid dreaming to enter the OBE state, or you can practice both, with lucid dreaming being the backup plan in case you fall asleep during state acquisition. And you can use the idea of focusing on and reconnecting with your physical body and then reinitiating the OBE to clear any subconscious projections or lack of clarity.

Two simple practices can greatly help increase your ability to lucidly dream. The first is the practice of awareness, which was covered in Chapter 8. Heavy focus on the practice of awareness will greatly increase your experience of lucid dreaming. To embolden this practice, you can add awareness checking. Awareness checking is the practice of checking whether you are physically awake or physically asleep. Remember, in normal nocturnal dreams we aren’t aware that we are dreaming. So, if you’re new to all this, this could be a nocturnal dream and you not even know it… so, are you dreaming now? You can for instance take a little jump into the air and see if you can float or fly. You can pull your finger and see if it will stretch like a rubber band. You can check your environment and see if it adds up to your normal waking life: What time is it? Are you where you would normally be at this time? Is your environment as it should be? Etc. Establish a minimum number of awareness exercises per day, for instance 10 little jumps, 10 finger pulls, 1 awareness walk, and 10 general awareness checks each day.

And remember the common occurrence of masking vertical OBE movement in dream reverie. Whenever you seem to be going through a vertical movement process, for instance up or down in an elevator, up or down stairs, up or down in an airplane, even up or down on a bumpy road in a car drive, this is a great time to do a very involved awareness check (as soon as it’s safe to do so if driving). Of course, if you’re in an elevator with people at work it may not be practical to take a little jump. If driving, you may not want to take your hands off the steering wheel to pull your finger. But do what you can. Observe whether the elevator is working properly. Notice the time and if it’s reasonable to be in the elevator then. Notice whether the street you’re driving on is an actual street.

I once had a dream where an escalator was not working properly. Rather than a gentle slope like stairs it went vertically straight down! I had to hold onto the railings to not fall as I went vertically straight down on the malfunctioning or very poorly designed escalator! This was clearly imagery masking the vertical descent of my out-of-body self. If you’re at work, is it time for you to be at work? How did you get to work? Really investigating these questions will make a habit that carries over into nocturnal dreams, and you’ll start to catch yourself dreaming more and more frequently.

And secondly and lastly is the practice of the dream journal. Keep an extremely detailed and consistent dream journal. Note where you were, what you did. Consider if this is a place or time or person or event you’ve dreamt of before. How long did the dream seem in dream time? Did it seem to be a message or indication of a belief you subconsciously hold? Could it have been a hazily aware OBE? Did you have movement sensations at any point during the dream? Really flesh out your dream journal. You may find recurring points that can help you become lucid.


With consistent awareness practices and dream journaling you will at some point become aware during a nocturnal dream. Upon becoming aware simply feel for your physical body, and upon becoming aware of your body relax and roll to the side, or any other form of movement into the out-of-body experience; or intend to be at your intended destination. It’s no different than if you entered deep theta or delta through state acquisition.

Note that I say feel for your physical body because that’s how it feels. But in fact, the body you first encounter when returning from a lucid dream or deep altered state reverie is the nonphysical body. Likely the nonphysical body is hovering close to the physical body, with your mind stuck in reverie. You then proceed to initiate the conscious out-of-body experience just as if you had reached deep theta or delta through meditation techniques. The deep altered state is the same, except there was some lack of awareness and some unconscious projections thrown in the mix.

If the “dream” was a true OBE that you were hazily aware in, the process works the same. You feel for your body to reset and clear away the cobwebs, and then re-initiate the experience.


Another way to start a lucid dream is to consciously intend oneself directly into a dream. With dream convergence you imagine and intend to reenter a dream you’ve just woken from. The effectiveness of this technique can be fantastic. In a sense you use recent dream locales as bases for shifting quickly and seamlessly into a deep altered state. And the technique can also be used to reenter nonphysical realms. This is the technique I used in the experience entitled “Demon-ology,” when I went back to fight the two nonphysical entities that bested me. If you have had a vivid dream you can imagine and recall the scene as you go back to sleep, intending and willing yourself back. It is not necessary that it be a dream you have just woken from. It can be a dream you had in the past, but most effective is a dream you’ve just woken from. You may suddenly find yourself standing in the dream location – or you may find it’s not actually a “dream location” at all, but a nonphysical dimension. If it turns out to be a dream or you are unsure simply feel for your body, then relax and move into an OBE as usual.